As seen in topic, my porblem is that I wish to know would it be possible for non-chinese citizen to join PLÀ? This not a joke, I´m talking dead-serious about this.
如题，我想知道非中国公民加入解放军是否可能？大家别笑，我是认真的。
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bd popeye
In my short 5 year study study of the PLA the answer is no
The answer can be found in this link below. http://www.militarytimes.com/static/...3dnplanavy.pdf
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PLA Soldier
Thank you for your answer. But, would it be then possible if I would give up my old citizenship and gain chinese citizenship?
多谢你的回复，但是，如果我放弃原来的国籍，加入中国国籍呢，有可能吗？
bd popeye
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Originally Posted by PLA Soldier View Post
Thank you for your answer. But, would it be then possible if I would give up my old citizenship and gain chinese citizenship?
Nope..Someone asked that question previously..several years ago in fact. Perhaps in this thread or in theold ez board days of 5 years ago.
You have to be Chinese citizen of the Peoples Republic of China to join the PLA. All others need not apply.
You >>> PLA soldier <<<cannot join! Join the Army in your home country would be your best bet..
edit 5 minutes later...
Let's see as near as I figure you live in Finland and are only 15 years old according to your profile. So in most countries you have to be 17 or 18 to join the military. So just wait until then.
What about Chinese turned into American citizen and then to Chinese citizen?
如果一个中国人先换成美国国籍，然后又恢复中国国籍呢？
bd popeye
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Originally Posted by Damingli85 View Post
What about Chinese turned into American citizen and then to Chinese citizen?
Nope
还是不行。
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You have to be Chinese citizen of the Peoples Republic of China to join the PLA. All others need not apply.
I should have stated a natural born Chinese citizen.
我的意思是你必须是一个土生土长的中国人。
HKSDU
answer is no people not even Hong Kong or Macau people are allowed to join the PLA
连香港和澳门的年轻人都不让加入解放军呢。（ID显示应为香港人）
bd popeye
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answer is no people not even Hong Kong or Macau people are allowed to join the PLA
Thank you! No Tibetans..No Mongolians none of the non racially Chinese people in western China or anywhere else in China. No foreigners.
You have to be a Chinese person born in China. Period.
Thank you! No Tibetans..No Mongolians none of the non racially Chinese people in western China or anywhere else in China. No foreigners.
You have to be a Chinese person born in China. Period.
Tibetans & Mongolians & Uyghuｒs are doing service in PLA. If they are chinese citizen.
解放军中是有西藏人，蒙古人，维族人在服役的，如果他们是中国公民。
lcloo
I was working in China, and I watched CCTV7 regularly. There was a Uyghu girl in PLA medical unit going round villages giving health aid. I remember she was an officer but I forgot her rank.
There are also many non-Han PLA soldiers in Inner Mongolia and Guangxi provinces. Zhuan people in Guangxi are non-Han Chinese.
Thank you! No Tibetans..No Mongolians none of the non racially Chinese people in western China or anywhere else in China. No foreigners.
You have to be a Chinese person born in China. Period.
That's not true. In the history of PLA, there were many people from other countries, including USA, Canada, and India joined PLA. In fact two of the most famous WWII era military doctors were Canadian and Indian.
bd popeye 你说的不对，在解放军历史上，有很多人是来自外国的，包括美国，加拿大，印度等，实际上，（中国）抗日战争中最出名的两位军医，一个来自加拿大，一个来自印度。
Today you could see Tibetan, Mongolian, Korean and Urger soldiers in uniforms in different ranks.
如今，你可以找到很多军衔不一的藏族，蒙古族，维族的士兵。
bball2k
Hmm...this is interesting. Where did you hear that non racially Chinese people cannot join the PLA? CCTV-7 has showed Tibetans in PLA a couple months ago and you can watch those on youtube. Some are serving in the Tibetan areas and some outside. Uyghurs have been shown also.
According to wiki, a ethnic Korean Zhao Nanqi(Cho Namgi) was a 3 star general(1988) and a former director and party secretary of the PLA so it's not like ethnic minorities can't rise to high ranks either.
Hmm...this is interesting. Where did you hear that non racially Chinese people cannot join the PLA? CCTV-7 has showed Tibetans in PLA a couple months ago and you can watch those on youtube. Some are serving in the Tibetan areas and some outside. Uyghurs have been shown also.
According to wiki, a ethnic Korean Zhao Nanqi(Cho Namgi) was a 3 star general(1988) and a former director and party secretary of the PLA so it's not like ethnic minorities can't rise to high ranks either.
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Originally Posted by backwindow
Tibetans & Mongolians & Uyghuｒs are doing service in PLA. If they are chinese citizen.
Ooppss my bad Thanks for that information! I was unaware of that.
看来我错了，多谢指教，我以前还不知道呢。
第一阶段讨论结束。
PLA Soldier
OKey, thank you for your answer everyone. I have question, and that comes now: If I would move to China, and gain citizenship of Peoples Republic of China, would it be then possible for me to join PLA?
OKey, thank you for your answer everyone. I have question, and that comes now: If I would move to China, and gain citizenship of Peoples Republic of China, would it be then possible for me to join PLA?
Nope..not as far as I know. But I could be wrong...but I don't think so.
至少就我看来，不行。不过也有可能我错了，但这种情况微乎其微。（变得谦虚了……..一点）
Question for you PLA. In our forum here and our sister site sinodefence.com there are hundreds and hundreds of pictuces of PLA soldiers. Thousands proabaly...
问你个问题，在我们的论坛和姐妹网站sinodefence.com上面，有那么多的解放军照片，可能成千上万张…
Since you are from Finland..May I ask are you white? That is my assumption. So if you check out photos of the PLA have you evere seen a white westerner in the uniform of the PLA? Ever??? Just asking.
Tibetans, Mongolians & Uyghuｒs are all still classfied as being ruled under the PRC and in the end still Chinese, while Macau and Hong Kong are not. Your not gonna be in the PLA if your not born in the country unless your a spy. Which is always the case.
From my observation while in China, I have noticed that,
以我在中国观察的经历，曾经注意到一下的事情：
The recruitment exercise starts with a large red banner hung up by local village or town government. At the same time local TV will broadcast the time, place, age and document requirements. (In Shenzhen, almost every town has its own TV broadcasting control).
征兵事宜一般被当地村镇政府大事操办，会悬挂红色的横幅来进行宣传，本地电视台会广播征兵时间，地点，所需准备的材料。（在深圳，几乎每个村镇都有自己的闭路广播电视）
I only witnessed one recruitment exercise in the same village which I stayed for 7 years. I could have missed a few though. Also, may be because the PLA was cutting down its size during those years, so less recruitments.
我在我待过7年的小集镇只目睹过一次这样的征兵行动，很可能我错过了一些吧。但也有可能是因为这些年解放军一直在执行裁军政策吧，所以征兵次数减少也理所当然。
An important documrnt is Residence Card 户口issued by Public Security Bureau. Only mainland Chinese citizens have this document, Hongkong and Macau people don't have this as they are ruled under different laws. Without this residence card, you have no way of getting in PLA. (Residence card is not ID card, fake ID cards were easy to get but not residence cards).
（应征）的一个很重要的材料是你的户口本，由公安局颁发，只有大陆人才有这样的本本，香港人，澳门人没有，因为一国两制嘛。没有这个小本子，你是无论如何也参不了军的。（户口本不是身份证，假的身份证容易搞，可你搞个假户口本试试看？）
Interview was in collaboration with local town government. I think they want to acertain the personal information and check for crime records, and also priority will be given to member of communist party.
Nope..not as far as I know. But I could be wrong...but I don't think so.
Question for you PLA. In our forum here and our sister site sinodefence.com there are hundreds and hundreds of pictuces of PLA soldiers. Thousands proabaly...
Since you are from Finland..May I ask are you white? That is my assumption. So if you check out photos of the PLA have you evere seen a white westerner in the uniform of the PLA? Ever??? Just asking.
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Originally Posted by PLA Soldier View Post
OKey, thank you for your answer everyone. I have question, and that comes now: If I would move to China, and gain citizenship of Peoples Republic of China, would it be then possible for me to join PLA?
Popeye:
I would say that's an underinformed conclusion, partially because the white/black Chinese population is relatively small, so you don't see them in photo ops very often...
对Popeye说:
我得说，你的说法有欠推敲，（找不到白人解放军战士）的原因，一部分是因为黑或白种中国人的比例在中国人口里相对较低，你看不到是很正常的
I'd suggest you to read the latest revised Chinese law regarding military service, in Chapter 1, section 3: http://www.gov.cn/banshi/gm/content_63510.htm
我建议你读一读最新修订的中国解放军服役法，在第一章，第3节。
http://www.gov.cn/banshi/gm/content_63510.htm
It states "All Chinese citizen, regardless of ethnicity, race, occupation, family background, or degree of education, have the full right to serve in the military."
指出：凡中国公民，不管其种族，族群，职业，家庭背景，或教育程度，都享有到军队服役的权利。
PLA did have two ethnic Russians serving as 1-star generals in the army back in the 60s: http://www.360doc.com/content/090716...1_4302019.html
回溯至60年代，解放军里确实有两名俄罗斯裔的一星将军在役。
Here's some other examples of PLA soldier of Russian descent:
这里有几个其他俄罗斯后裔解放军战士的照片：
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PLA Soldier:
对PLA Soldier说：
Yes, as what I said above, you can join PLA if you become a Chinese citizen. If ethnically Russian Chinese can join the PLA, I'm pretty sure an ethnically Finn Chinese can do the same. Plus it's all in their consititution.
是的，我刚才讲过，你可以在成为一名中国公民之后加入中国人民解放军，如果连俄罗斯裔的中国人都可以加入，我敢写包票，一个芬兰裔的中国人也可以做到，更何况这都是在他们的宪法里明明白白写清楚了的。
Hope this helps!
希望能帮到你！
bd popeye
Thanks for clearing this subject up kw64.
Looks like I was wrong on several accounts. Thanks again for the correction.
多谢KW64，把这个问题说清楚了。
看来，我的解释有很多漏洞啊，再次感谢更正。
Violet Oboe
For more than 10 years after Hong Kong's reintegration there was a law in effect that actually prohibited service in PLA for citizens of HKSAR. However in late 2007 the law was modified and the regulatory statutes now explicitly stipulate that every legal HKSAR citizen may serve in PLA.
香港回归超过10年以来，事实上曾经有部法律是禁止香港特别行政区的公民在解放军中服役的，但是在2007年末，该法案被修订，现在的条文明确规定，凡合法香港特别行政区公民均有权服役解放军。
Interestingly there were already rumors for some years that a number of Hong Kong people had served in PLA and possibly the Mainland never took HK's legislation seriously but of course the whole thing was only a placebo for mitigating irrational fears of HK citizens about PLA recruiting arbitrarily in HKSAR.
Nice, since I was born in China and I am biologically Chinese, I could just throw away my US citizenship and join the PLA. But then, Good Iron does not become a nail, and a good man does not become a soldier.
I'm just curious, why do all these ethnic Chinese (or not even that apparently) want to join the PLA so badly?
我只是好奇，为何所有的这些少数族裔的中国人（或者看上去连中国人都不是）这么急切的想加入解放军呢？
PLA Soldier
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Originally Posted by kw64
Popeye:
I would say that's an underinformed conclusion, partially because the white/black Chinese population is relatively small, so you don't see them in photo ops very often...
I'd suggest you to read the latest revised Chinese law regarding military service, in Chapter 1, section 3: ??????????????
It states "All Chinese citizen, regardless of ethnicity, race, occupation, family background, or degree of education, have the full right to serve in the military."
PLA did have two ethnic Russians serving as 1-star generals in the army back in the 60s:
Yes, as what I said above, you can join PLA if you become a Chinese citizen. If ethnically Russian Chinese can join the PLA, I'm pretty sure an ethnically Finn Chinese can do the same. Plus it's all in their consititution.
Hope this helps!
YES!!!! It really does help me! Thank you very much! Seems like that I have to douple my efforts in my studies of chinese lanquage.
太感谢了！！！！确实太有用了，现在我应该怀疑我在学习中文上所下的功夫了。
第二部分讨论结束，迄今为止，大家理性讨论，楼基正正的。
vladimir1918
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Originally Posted by Finn McCool
I'm just curious, why do all these ethnic Chinese (or not even that apparently) want to join the PLA so badly?
Because they hate freedom!
因为他们讨厌自由！
The answer is very simple. The ethnic Chinese youth you meet on this forum are interesting in PLA, if they want to join other countries army they will not be on this forum.
I bet you can find Taiwan people with dual citizenship who want to join the ROC Amry in some Taiwan military forum.
according to some report published in chinese froum,some divisions,which had serviced in the fouth Field Army of PLA, raised many koreas in the War of Liberatio. and then these koreas came the Korean War.
kw64, thank you very much! Your information has been most usefull this far.
KW64，多谢你了！你提供的信息目前最有用了！
kw64
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Originally Posted by Finn McCool View Post
I'm just curious, why do all these ethnic Chinese (or not even that apparently) want to join the PLA so badly?
Well there are plenty of foreign nationals in the U.S. military and French Military, so I guess it's not completely unusual wanting to join some other nation's military.
kw64, thank you very much! Your information has been most usefull this far.
No problem It's actually surprisingly easy to apply for Chinese citizenship. The only prerequisite requirement is that you have to be a legal residence living in China. There are no language or minimum years of stay requirements. Due to the economic boom, in recent years there's a spike in number of foreign nationals applying for Chinese citizenship (mostly from Africa and South/Southeastern Asia), and the Chinese government generally maintains a relatively open policy towards Citizenship Applicants so far (unless there's politically sensitive issue involved). The only one thing is that the Chinese government does not recognize duo-citizenship, so you have to give up your previous citizenship once you got the Chinese citizenship.
对Finn McCool说：
Joinging PLA is a family honour in China nowadays. There is a saying in China that you get paid joining army in foreign countries but you have to pay to joing the PLA.
加入解放军如今被视为一种家族荣誉，在中国有这种说法：在别的国家，是别人花钱请你参军，在中国，是你自己花钱来求参军。
Honor is something all face loving Chinese treasured. Also they get trained in PLA for various skill like driving, engine repairs etc. Other benifits like vocational traning and job placement after discharge, pirority in getting railway tickets, special rates hotels for servicemen all over China.
荣誉感，是所有爱面子的中国人都珍视的。在军中，他们还接受诸如驾驶，引擎维修等等的技能培训，其他好处像，职业培训，退役后的工作分配（貌似已经不分配了吧），轨道交通乘车优先，差行人员旅馆住宿费减免等等。
People in poor villages are living in extreme hard conditions, and joining PLA and getting trained is a dream to many.
对于大多数生活在农村极端困苦环境下的人们来说，参军受训绝对是可遇而不可求的。
PLA Soldier
Weel, I did already know that cost of getting Chinas citizenship is to give up old citizenship. But, still, it would be the cost of joining the PLA. Yes, I´m seriously thinking about joining the Chinas army.
I'm just curious, why do all these ethnic Chinese (or not even that apparently) want to join the PLA so badly?
Joining the PLA has many social benefits when you retire as a veteran, and you can learn many skills that may be helpful in finding a job in an urban center later on. You get a decent salary and is free from housing and living expenses.
参加解放军后，一旦你服役期满退伍，是可以享受很多的社会福利的。你可以学到一些用得上就业技能，（服役期间）每个月领到一份不错的薪水，而且没有住房，生活上的开支。
Another bonus is that since China is at peace and is in no hurry to fight wars everywhere, you don't really have a chance of getting killed (accidents aside but those are present in civi life as well). This makes the army a safe job and a good one.
Weel, I did already know that cost of getting Chinas citizenship is to give up old citizenship. But, still, it would be the cost of joining the PLA. Yes, I´m seriously thinking about joining the Chinas army.
You do realized that as a foreigner, china doesn't give out its citizenship easily. It's not like Canada where you will get one if you stay for x number of years. Last time I heard from the news was that China only grants citizenship to distinguished individuals who made an impact for a better China.
So, the conclusion: So, it is possible for western men to join PLA, if they move to China first and gain citizenship. What comes to the other discussion, good mens does become soldiers. If not, this world would be much more darker place to live.
You do realized that as a foreigner, china doesn't give out its citizenship easily. It's not like Canada where you will get one if you stay for x number of years. Last time I heard from the news was that China only grants citizenship to distinguished individuals who made an impact for a better China.
That's not entirely true. China sometimes deny citizenship applications due to security concerns, or if there are political sensitive issues involved. But China still has relatively low number of citizenship applicants, even lower from European nationals, and I don't think they would consider someone from Finland a potential security risk or a subject to any politically sensitive issue. So I don't think PLA Soldier would have any problem applying for the Chinese citizenship, as long as he would become a permanent residant first. Of course bureaucratic redltapes are prevalent in China, and sometimes it can get frustrating to speed through any official business for foreigners or Chinese alike.
So far, relations between Finland and China have been good. That´s why I don´t think that China would consider me as security risk, or in any other way of trouble-causing men. Only thing that might cause that sort of thinking would be that I wan´t join PLA.
PLA Soldier. I have some questions for you.
楼主，有几个问题想问你，
Why do you want to join the PLA? And when you become of age why don't you join the Finnish armed forces? Isn't there conscription in Finland? Thanks!
PLA Soldier, I'm afraid that kw64 is painting an overly optimistic and unrealistic picture of what you'd be facing in trying to join the PLA. I think it's important to be realistic even if you (for some reason) really wish this could happen.
楼主，恐怕KW64为你描绘一幅过于理想的参军前景，不过你有多么想做成这件事，脚踏实地，要现实一点，懂吗。
The first thing would be to move to China. Now you can't just do that on a whim. You need to either be a student there or have a job there. Being a student isn't helpful because when you finish your studies you're off - at best it would buy you time.
首当其冲的事，你要搬到中国去住。你现在还不能有冲动就行动，到那儿，你要么当个留学生要么有个工作，修学业顶不了用，因为学业结束，你就得回来了，充其量它可以为你争取一点时间。
In regards to work, unless you have some particular skills and qualifications that China needs you're not going to get a job, other than maybe teaching English as a foreign language and that's no good long-term career. It's not stable because you can be laid off in the blink of an eye and frequently doesn't pay all that well. Certainly it won't let you get permanent residency.
再来说去那儿工作，除非你掌握了某种技能或有啥职称，否则你别想找到工作，除非是去教教英语，不过那并不是个长久的活，很不稳定，随时可能被炒掉，而且报酬通常也不高。毫无疑问，这份工作并不能使你获得永久居留权的。
Even if you get a great job, marry a Chinese woman and get permanent residency, you're still highly unlikely to get an offer of nationality. The foreigners who get Chinese passports are usually rich businessmen who contribute to the Chinese economy and get friendly with powerful people.
即使你找到份不错的工作，娶了一位中国老婆，在中国定居下来啦，抱歉，你得到中国国籍的可能性还是不大，持中国护照的外国人往往是对中国经济有贡献，与权贵来往甚密的商业巨贾或者。
But let's say you get a great job, marry a Chinese woman, get permanent residency, make great friends with people who decide on nationality applications and then an offer of nationality. That would take so long you'd probably be too old to join the PLA anyway!
再进一步，假设在此基础上，你真的结交甚广，认识了管事的人，不过那个时候，你恐怕老的连枪都提不动了吧！
You also need to realise that China doesn't allow dual nationality, so you'd have to give up your Finnish citizenship and passport. You'd need a visa to travel to anywhere in Europe, even your home. Are you sure you'd want that?
你还需要认识到，中国不承认双重国籍，所以你得放弃你的芬兰籍和护照，那会导致你连到欧洲旅游,甚至到你自己的家去都需要签证，你确定你想做这件事吗？
Put it like this. If you want to go to China, live and work there, good luck. But you need a plan before you go as to what you're going to do there, otherwise I think you'll be unhappy. Realistically joining the PLA is not going to happen, so you will need an alternative line of work. Just remember that the Chinese job market is very competitive.
Put it like this. If you want to go to China, live and work there, good luck. But you need a plan before you go as to what you're going to do there, otherwise I think you'll be unhappy. Realistically joining the PLA is not going to happen, so you will need an alternative line of work. Just remember that the Chinese job market is very competitive.
When someone wishes someone else "good luck" in the manner as you did, it is usually a sarcastic thing. So if I'm not mistaken, you made it sound like living in China nowadays in general is a bad idea . That seems to contradict what the general feeling is about living and working in China NOWADAYS. In fact, we have multiple friends (Chinese, Chinese-Americans, Taiwanese, Taiwanese-Americans, Caucacian-Americans) who moved to China and enjoy their life over there very much. And that was not a typo and I did say Taiwanese moving to the Mainland and love it there. One of my buddies is actually pan-green and he hated the idea but his wife who is a Chinese wanted to go back badly. So he went along "for the sake of love". Now he loves it there and would not come back to the States.
你这种祝别人“好运的”方式实际上是在挖苦别人。如果我没弄错的话，你的意思是，现如今生活在中国是件相当糟糕的事情，这似乎与普遍的在中国生活得到的感受不符。实际上，很多朋友（华裔，中美混血，台湾人，台美混血，欧美混血）搬到中国去后，都蛮享受那里的生活的，是的没错，搬到大陆的台湾人也很喜欢那里的生活，我有个兄弟，（台湾）泛绿阵营的，他的大陆老婆想回到大陆生活，开始他气坏了，但为了爱情，他还是跟着回去了，现在他俩已经爱上了那里，乐不思蜀了。
TO PLA soldier, I do agree with other posters that you have to be careful about this move that you are making. As someone who has given up his original citizenship to live in another country, I tell you that giving up your own citizenship should not be taken lightly, doesn't matter which nation you are from. If you truly want to join PLA, I would suggest you live in China for a while. You usually can't get the whole picture when you are outside and looking in. you either get overly excited and positive or overly negative, depending on the kind of political/educational background you had. Some good examples of both are vivdly illustrated in this thread and this forum in general. These people are either never been to China or been away from China for a long time. I don't know about others, but I, myself, am one of these people (being away for almost 20 years). My parents always say that I am too positive on China and that I am one of those people who "is standing but never understands the backpain suffered by those who are on their knees". So you have to actually live in China to know what China is like and then make your decision.
My decision isn´t totally completed yet. It is true that we have conscription in Finland, but it isn´t an army anymore these days. Well, you know, our equipment is a bit outdated. And still, there is a feeling that you should something with your life. I know that I haven´t witnessed chinese lifestyle or culture in that way I could really make that big decision by information so far. Still, the Rising Dragon has always fashinated me within my own way.
我的决定尚未成熟。我们芬兰的确有募兵活动，但现如今那已经称不上是一支军队了。这么说吧，我们的装备老得掉牙。另外在我心里，老有这种想法：这辈子我得干件说的出口的事！
我知道，我对中国人的生活方式，或者文化一无所知，只有那样，我才能真正地做出一个重要的决定。在我心里，崛起的中国龙自然有让我迷醉的地方。
Okey, now finally the reason why I wan´t to join PLA:
1. I have always dreamed about moving to foreign country. SWerving in that countrys armed forces would be great way to "pay back" my depth to my new homeland.
2. Why China? Many reasons. New superpower, strong military, enormous economy, strong coverment, chinese girls are beatifull!
3. And no, I´m not warcrazy militant. Actually, I love peace, but not in that way as many think about it. I wan´t to protect peace and wellfare of my beloved ones with arms if necessery.
4. China is not at war apparently.
When someone wishes someone else "good luck" in the manner as you did, it is usually a sarcastic thing.
If I was being sarcastic it would be that I didn't think he had a chance of moving to and working in China. But I wasn't being sarcastic - if the guy wants to move to China and get a job he deserves to be wished luck.
My decision isn´t totally completed yet. It is true that we have conscription in Finland, but it isn´t an army anymore these days. Well, you know, our equipment is a bit outdated. And still, there is a feeling that you should something with your life. I know that I haven´t witnessed chinese lifestyle or culture in that way I could really make that big decision by information so far. Still, the Rising Dragon has always fashinated me within my own way.
Okey, now finally the reason why I wan´t to join PLA:
1. I have always dreamed about moving to foreign country. SWerving in that countrys armed forces would be great way to "pay back" my depth to my new homeland.
2. Why China? Many reasons. New superpower, strong military, enormous economy, strong coverment, chinese girls are beatifull!
3. And no, I´m not warcrazy militant. Actually, I love peace, but not in that way as many think about it. I wan´t to protect peace and wellfare of my beloved ones with arms if necessery.
4. China is not at war apparently.
Good reasons. But since you have not been to China to experience whether you like it there or not (I am pretty sure you will), you had better move there to study/work before you make the decision to join the PLA. I think you are likely to change your mind and turn to another profession, when you are more mature.
很好的理由，可是因为你从没到过中国，你不会知道你是否喜欢那儿（当然，我确信你会爱上那儿的），你可以在决定加入PLA之前先在那里学习或工作一段时间。我相信，等你再长大一些，你很有可能会改变你的想法，改行换业。
Moving to China should be easy. Nowadays foreigners are common in the developed cities of China (Tier one cities, namely Shanghai, Beijing, Shenzhen, Guangzhou) and they are very popular, especially if you are white and if you have good people skills/connections. Building relationships and making friends with people during your study/work there is VERY important, you can get a lot of opportunities if people like you and introduce you to those who make decisions.
移居中国应该不难，现在在中国的大城市（上海，北京，深圳，广州），外国人很常见，而且相当受欢迎，特别是对有较强沟通能力的一些白人。在学习工作的同时，建立自己的关系网，结交四方朋友是很重要的，如果你的朋友喜欢你，把你介绍给管事的人，那样会得到很多的机会的。
Joining the PLA in China is a dream for many in the less developed areas, but not for those already have good living standard. The life and training in PLA, in fact most armies are very tough for newbies, and the living standard of PLA may be far worse than Finnish army's, for that I do not think joining PLA as a regular newbie would be a good idea for many people. As you said 'chinese girls are beatifull' I think you would prefer a career you are able to meet those girls more often.
对于生活在欠发达地区的人们来说，参军是个不错的选择，但对于富裕地区的人们而言，就不是这种情况了，在PLA中的生活，受训，事实上和其他国家军队一样，对新兵都是相当苛刻的，而且PLA的生活标准很可能远赶不上芬兰军队，所以我说，在PLA中当个新兵蛋子对很多人来说，并不是个好主意。至于你说“中国的姑娘们很漂亮”，我想你还是希望找个能频繁接触女孩的职业吧。
I would suggest you get a good education background first from western countries and get a job in one of the tier 1 cities in maniland China, Hong Kong or Macau to experience the lifestyle and build connections as well as explore opportunities. Or if you are sure you want to join the armed force, apply for a degree in one of the military academies in China you would be valued by most armed forces in the world when you graduate, for your unique background, and you can decide to get Chinese citizenship and join the PLA as a officer or join other armed forces. I am not sure how hard it is for foreigners to apply for military academies but the requirements are surprisingly low for foreigners in the most reputed universities in China, because the top universities are starving for foreign students and they want to be more international. So if you don't get a place in military academy, getting into Tsinghua University/ Beijing University would be a good alternative and would make your career path more flexible.
我会建议你，先在西方接受一个良好的教育，然后在我说的那些中国大陆的大城市加上香港，澳门里面找份工作，适应那里的生活，建立关系网，并寻找机会。如果你已决定参军，就在中国的军事院校里面申请个学位读读，在毕业之时，你会因为独一无二的背景，得到世界上绝大多数的军事机构赏识，那个时候再决定是获得中国国籍加入PLA成为一名解放军军官还是到其他国家参军。我不清楚一个外国人去申请读军事院校会有多难，但是外国人申请中国其他的一些重点大学的门槛相当低，因为这些大学想变得国际化，对国外学生求贤若渴，所以如果你没申上独立的军事院校，去读北大清华会是个不错的备用选择（无语啊）。这样，你的职业规划会更具灵活性。
Hope it helps
希望能帮到你！
FriedRiceNSpice
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So if you don't get a place in military academy, getting into Tsinghua University/ Beijing University would be a good alternative and would make your career path more flexible.
It would be easier to get into Harvard or Stanford.... Those are the two toughest schools in the world to get into. EVERYONE in China aspires to those two universities.
It would be easier to get into Harvard or Stanford.... Those are the two toughest schools in the world to get into. EVERYONE in China aspires to those two universities.
That's true for Chinese students. Not the case at all for foreign students, they do not need to be involved in the Chinese high school exams and they are judged differently.
对中国学生来说是这样，但对其他外国的学生未必，他们没必要经历高考，并且考核方式很多元。
五星红旗
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As seen in topic, my porblem is that I wish to know would it be possible for non-chinese citizen to join PLÀ? This not a joke, I´m talking dead-serious about this.
It's no problem!
没问题，来吧。
PLA Soldier
Even though my questions have been answered, any and all tips and advices would be really apriciated
尽管我的问题已经得到了解答，在这里还是很感激所有给我留下建议和意见的朋友们。
bladesyz
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As you said 'chinese girls are beatifull' I think you would prefer a career you are able to meet those girls more often.
I think this is a point the OP should seriously consider. Being in the army doesn't give one much time to go dating and meeting people. In fact, you can just forget about a normal love/family life.
我想有一点楼主应当慎重考虑，在军中服役是不会有时间去和女孩约会和结交朋友的，你会发现你不能再享受正常的恋爱和家庭生活了
Also, just because China isn't at war doesn't mean being in the Army is safe. The PLA undertakes many dangerous search & rescue missions, and if you get assigned to Xinjiang, you run the risk of being the target of terrorist attacks.
I think this is a point the OP should seriously consider. Being in the army doesn't give one much time to go dating and meeting people. In fact, you can just forget about a normal love/family life.
Also, just because China isn't at war doesn't mean being in the Army is safe. The PLA undertakes many dangerous search & rescue missions, and if you get assigned to Xinjiang, you run the risk of being the target of terrorist attacks.
Well it's comparatively much safer since China definitely has not lost more than 5000 troops over the last decade.
鉴于中国在过去的十年里，牺牲的解放军不超过5000，中国还算是很安全的。
EdT586
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My decision isn´t totally completed yet. It is true that we have conscription in Finland, but it isn´t an army anymore these days. Well, you know, our equipment is a bit outdated. And still, there is a feeling that you should something with your life. I know that I haven´t witnessed chinese lifestyle or culture in that way I could really make that big decision by information so far. Still, the Rising Dragon has always fashinated me within my own way.
Okey, now finally the reason why I wan´t to join PLA:
1. I have always dreamed about moving to foreign country. SWerving in that countrys armed forces would be great way to "pay back" my depth to my new homeland.
2. Why China? Many reasons. New superpower, strong military, enormous economy, strong coverment, chinese girls are beatifull!
3. And no, I´m not warcrazy militant. Actually, I love peace, but not in that way as many think about it. I wan´t to protect peace and wellfare of my beloved ones with arms if necessery.
4. China is not at war apparently.
Good reasons, but if you give these reasons to the PLA recruiting office they will not accept you per say, but I admire your conviction to serve !
好理由，但是你如果真的向征募军官说这些的话，他们是不会要你的，只会说，我很欣赏你为人民服务的决心
These reasons would be more appropriate:
1. I am a PRC member
2. I am a socialist
3. I want to serve the Chinese people and China
下面的理由更靠谱儿。：
1. 我是中共党员
2. 我是社会主义者
3. 我想为人民服务，为中国服务
How many armed forces in the world do you know that it's
世界上有多少军队像这样的：
Commander in Chief during inspection reviews asks: "How are you doing Comrades ?"
...and the troops answers in unison: "We are doing good Commander !"
Commander in Chief asks again: "Have you been busy Comrades?"
...and the troops answers in unison: "Busy serving the "eople" Commander !"
总指挥官在检阅部队的时候问：同志们好！
所有的战士齐声回答：作者有误（应为 首长好！）
然后总指挥官再问：同志们辛苦了！
战士再答：为人民服务！
Obcession
It's interesting that I've taken an oath to defend the Chinese country and people in the Youth Vanguards, and another oath to defend the Queen and Canada when I became a citizen. Interesting moral dilemma if I have to fight on one side against another.
It's interesting that I've taken an oath to defend the Chinese country and people in the Youth Vanguards, and another oath to defend the Queen and Canada when I became a citizen. Interesting moral dilemma if I have to fight on one side against another.
Can you tell me about the the Youth Vanguards, tthier structure etc, do they have a website ?
你能给我介绍一下中国少年先锋队么，他们有网站么（开玩笑！）
I am trying to set-up international exchange visits between them and IACE. We would be so happy if the PRC's equivalent would be part of the IACE !
我现在正筹划一个他们和IACE（国际少年军官交流组织）交流互访项目，如果我们（指IACE）能吸收中国入会，那将是多么令人高兴。
eople" Commander !"
